Posted by: BibleScienceGuy | February 13, 2014

Post-Debate Buzz Heats Up for Ham vs. Nye #2

Debaters Bill Nye & Ken Ham

Debaters Bill Nye & Ken Ham

This is the second installment of gripping commentary from the web about the historic Creation-Evolution debate between Creation Museum founder Ken Ham and Bill Nye the Science Guy.

An estimated 10 million viewers watched the live stream of the debate:
Is Creation a viable model of origins in today’s modern scientific era?

Additionally, as of press time, the YouTube video of the February 4 debate has been viewed over 1.7 million times. Interest and conversation about the debate continues to be intense and vigorous.

The first installment of web commentary and opinions quoted four commentators. For this second installment, excerpts from four more intriguing commentators appear below.

Commentary on the Debate from the Web (Part 2)

Author and attorney Michael Snyder caught major errors Nye made in the debate. Here are excerpts from his article
Fact Check: Did Bill Nye Tell A Huge Lie About The Fossil Layers?

Viewers got a lot of information from Bill Nye that simply is not true. For example, Bill Nye made it sound like science has discovered fossil layers all over the earth that are neatly stacked on top of one another with less evolved creatures in the earlier layers and more advanced creatures in the upper layers. He also made the incredible claim that you cannot find a single fossil which is in the wrong layer. This is such an elementary mistake, and exhibits such a complete ignorance of what the fossil record actually shows, that he should have been laughed off the stage.

During the debate, Bill Nye said that if we could find “just one” fossil that was out of place that we could change the world.

Well, apparently he is either completely ignorant or he purposely told a huge lie to the American people.

According to [evolutionist] Dr. Donald Burge, the curator of vertebrate paleontology at the College of Eastern Utah Prehistoric Museum, mammal fossils are found in nearly every dinosaur dig that he has ever been associated with.

A whole host of modern creatures have been found in “dinosaur rock layers”. … In fact, a total of 432 different mammal species have been identified in rock layers containing dinosaurs.

So does that mean that mammals have been around for tens of millions of years? No, what it could mean is that the way that evolutionists have been dating the dinosaurs is fundamentally flawed.

Carbon dating also provides strong evidence that the evolutionary timeline is seriously messed up. Due to the rate that it decays, there should be absolutely no measurable radioactive carbon left in any fossils that are “greater than 100,000 years old”.

But we find it in all of the ancient fossils that we dig up that get tested. We even find it in coal, natural gas, diamonds and in dinosaur bones.

If Bill Nye wants to believe in the theory of evolution that is his choice. But he should quit calling it “science”. Those that choose to believe in the theory of evolution are choosing to have blind faith in an ancient pagan religious philosophy despite what the scientific evidence actually demonstrates.

I hope that everyone out there will quit claiming that evolution is a “proven fact” like Bill Nye has been claiming. He is only embarrassing himself in front of the entire country. And the truth is that Bill Nye even admits that there is a vast array of things about human origins that he does not know.

 
Talk radio host Bryan Fischer is Director of Issues Analysis for the American Family Association. He had this to say about the debate in
Defeating Darwin in four easy steps:

What was most instructive about Tuesday night’s debate between Ken Ham and Bill Nye over the issue of origins was Nye’s blanket admission of total, abject ignorance on the most important questions of the evening.

There Is A Book

Where did the atoms that made up the Big Bang come from? Nye has no idea. Where did man’s consciousness come from? Nye has no idea. How can matter produce life? Nye has absolutely no idea. This surely is all one needs to know to recognize the utter bankruptcy of the theory of evolution.

Science simply has no explanation for the most basic question that could possibly be asked: why is there something rather than nothing?

Creationists and Intelligent Design advocates have an answer to this question; evolutionists do not.

When you see a turtle on a fence post, what’s the one thing you know? Somebody put him there. When you see a world hanging in space, what’s the one thing you know? Someone hung it there.

Bottom line: the easiest verse in the Bible to believe is the very first one of all: “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.”

 
Baptist preacher and former USA TODAY columnist Dr. Don Boys has a good review of the debate in Ham Won the Debate But No Grand Slam! He says,

Ham won on points although he did not get a grand slam. Some evolutionists think Nye “ate a Ham sandwich,” but they are living in a dream world.

Nye did not explain why he perceived a Creation scientist would be somehow less productive at creating new innovation. He did not provide a single demonstration of how the creation scientist is a lesser scientist. Nye claimed children taught creationism would be stunted (fall behind in the world) and the U.S. would fall behind in scientific advancements, but he said nothing to substantiate his claim. However, Ken provided impressive evidence that creationism does not restrict scientists from being very productive in scientific achievement.

Nye came across as a cheerleader for education and seemed to enjoy himself even while he was losing the debate! Maybe he was delighted at being on the same stage with a creation scientist! It gave him some credibility!

The biggest mistake Ken made was in not devastating Nye with the hammer that he handed Ham. Nye asked if Ham was sure that life can not arrive from non-living matter? Ken should have aggressively forced Nye to confess that he [Nye] did believe, contrary to true science, in spontaneous generation. Here, Ken should have ridiculed such stupid, anti-science drivel. I would have said, “You evolutionists ridicule the fact that God created man out of dust yet you believe that life arose from a planet of rock.”

Such an encounter would have made Nye look like a mule at the Kentucky Derby!

Nevertheless, I am delighted with the debate. For sure, this was not a Scopes Trial, 2014. Ken Ham was far more informed than William Jennings Bryan and I am proud to be identified with Ken.

 
Evangelical creationist Ezra Byer of Powerline Kingdom Ministries says in
Why I Believe Ken Ham Won By Losing the Debate,

I believe Ken Ham lost the debate between him and Bill Nye. In many ways, I thought Nye’s answers, while a little rambling at times, were complex and detailed.

On the other hand, I thought Ham’s answers were short of extraordinary. I thought he hit it out of the park in his opening 30-minute monologue but was a little more challenged in the one-on-one time. I thought he failed to answer many of Nye’s questions convincingly. On debate skills alone, I would give the edge to Bill Nye.

But here is why I believe Ken Ham won by losing.
1. He raised huge awareness about Biblical Creationism on a mammoth scale.
2. He connected with Christians who did not think the age of the earth was a big deal.
3. But most importantly, he preached the gospel over four times to hundreds of thousands of people!

But what Ken Ham showed us tonight is that sometimes the best way of winning a debate is not through burying your opponent. The best way to win is through doing what God has called you to do. And this is to prepare, present, and then step back and make much of Jesus and allow HIM to cause the true transformation.

As I watched Mr. Ham’s mannerisms, you could sense a tremendous Spirit about him. He was gracious and the power of God showed through his life. There were multiple times I believed he could have hammered Nye on some of his inconsistencies but in my opinion chose not to. Was this a sign of weakness? On the contrary, I believe this showed incredible strength. Anyone can badger or ridicule an opponent (as I believe Mr. Nye attempted to do through referencing “Ken Ham’s Model of Creation” when roughly 60% of Americans accept it!).

 
Read the prequel articles on this debate:
Creation-Evolution Debate: Ken Ham vs. Bill Nye – background info & the YouTube videos that sparked the debate.
Ham on Nye Debate Update
Who Won the Ken Ham vs. Bill Nye Debate?
– includes YouTube video of debate
Post-Debate Buzz Heats Up for Ham vs. Nye #1 – web commentary on the debate

Read the sequel with more web commentary:
Post-Debate Buzz Heats Up for Ham vs. Nye #3 – comments from debate moderator and post-debate challenges from debaters to each other

Questions to Ponder
  1. If you saw the debate, who do you think won and why?
  2. How can you use the buzz about the debate as a natural starting point for spiritual conversations?
  3. Share your thoughts on these questions in the comments below. It could encourage or help another reader.

Soli Deo Gloria.

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©William T. Pelletier, Ph.D.
“contending earnestly for the faith”
“destroying speculations against the knowledge of God”
(Jude 1:3; 2 Cor 10:4)
Thursday February 13, 2014 A.D.

For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy. (Exodus 20:11)

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Responses

  1. Thanks for collecting these things for us. The different viewpoints are certainly interesting. I especially enjoyed the last one on “winning by losing”. God carefully set up His world to maintain the necessity of faith. Much as 100% proof would be nice, when it does happen, those who hadn’t already chosen Christ will be doomed.
    If people have their minds and hearts opened to searching for their Creator and Savior, Ham won in God’s book!

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