Posted by: BibleScienceGuy | December 3, 2014

Twitter Erupts Over Turkeys

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This past week a furor erupted on Twitter which surprised me. A number of people tweeted heated responses to a blog post that I had previously published on a now-defunct host and recently migrated to the Bible-Science Guy Blog.

For some reason, the migrated article, Which Came First, the Turkey or the Egg?, really touched a sore spot with some people.

I announced the newly migrated post on Twitter on Thanksgiving Day with this tweet:

Which Came First, the Turkey or the Egg? Evolutionism can’t address this question, but Creationism answers it easily. wp.me/pKPgT-4GP

This tweet provoked a small storm on Twitter. Evolutionists and atheists whom I did not even know started replying on Twitter. Here are some of the replies:

Actually @BibleScienceGuy, from the point of view of evolution, eggs have been around for many millions of years before turkeys.

This reply makes no sense at all. How could turkey eggs be around for millions of years before turkeys? When a turkey egg hatches, a turkey emerges. And where did the egg come from? The only source of turkey eggs is turkeys. Turkey eggs cannot exist for millions of years without turkeys.

@BibleScienceGuy “Evolutionism”? Is that like Gravityism?

Here the tweeter is objecting to my use of the term “evolutionism.” He doesn’t like the suffix “ism” because that suggests a belief system. He believes that the theory of evolution is just as valid as gravity. However there is a vast difference between the two. Gravity can be observed and experimentally verified in the present. Evolution is a belief about the past. No one has ever observed one kind of life change into another kind. Objective observation trumps imaginative speculation.

Another tweeter replied that the long-understood answer is given in this (misguided) video:

This deceptive video assumes evolution is true to develop the argument and then mistakenly concludes that the egg came first. It’s fascinating to me that when you deny and ignore God’s Word, you arrive at the exact wrong answer!

Why did so many people reply, re-tweet, and favorite tweets in this Twitter conversation? Why did people care enough to bother to interact over this issue, mostly to oppose my tweet? Read next week’s blog Why Do Atheists Care? to learn my take on the answer.

Questions to Ponder
  1. Have you ever encountered evolutionary or atheistic proselytizers? What could you discern about their motivation?
  2. Why do evolutionists want so badly to convince you of the validity of their belief system?
  3. Share your thoughts on these questions in the comments below. It could encourage or help another reader.

Soli Deo Gloria.

Read the prequel:
Which Came First, the Turkey or the Egg?

Read the sequel:
Why Do Atheists Care?

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©William T. Pelletier, Ph.D.
“contending earnestly for the faith”
“destroying speculations against the knowledge of God”
(Jude 1:3; 2 Cor 10:4)
Wednesday December 3, 2014 A.D.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them. (Romans 1:18-32)

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  1. “This reply makes no sense at all. How could turkey eggs be around for millions of years before turkeys? When a turkey egg hatches, a turkey emerges. And where did the egg come from? The only source of turkey eggs is turkeys. Turkey eggs cannot exist for millions of years without turkeys.”

    Hi! Fossil evidence suggests that eggs appeared before Turkeys did, specifically because eggs were an evolutionary innovation that appeared in species that predate Turkeys. For example, we have fossil dinosaur eggs, and we believe that dinosaurs predated turkeys by hundreds of millions of years. Therefore, by the time what we call turkeys evolved, eggs had already been around for hundreds of millions of years.

    Hope that made sense!

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    • Thanks for reading and commenting. We disagree because we have different starting points. Your comment presupposes the truth of the theory of evolution. I accept the Genesis record as truth and dispute the theory of evolution. Turkeys were created on Creation Day 5 (Genesis 1:21) before land dinosaurs were created on Creation Day 6 (Genesis 1:25).

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      • The issue isn’t whether or not we disagree about evolution vs. creation, when of course you favor the latter. The issue is that you said the answer made “no sense”. I was just giving you the evolutionary scenario under which we biologists believe that the egg preceded the turkey which, should evolution be true, does make sense.

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        • Thank you for your clarification. We apparently are talking about two different things. My question (Which came first, the turkey or the egg?) was not about eggs in general but about turkey eggs in particular. My paragraph claiming the reply made no sense mentioned “turkey eggs” four times. I could have phrased the original question as, “Which came first, the turkey or the turkey egg?”, but I didn’t want to be overly pedantic. I still don’t think it makes any sense for turkey eggs to be extant for millions of years before turkeys.

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        • Ah, gotcha. No, we don’t believe that turkey eggs existed millions of years before turkeys. That would indeed be strange!

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